Xinhuanet, the official press agency of the People's Republic of
China, conducted the following interview with U.S. statesman Lyndon
LaRouche by reporter Zhang Mian on July 27, 2013. Mike
Billington
QUESTION: And, a few months ago, in May 2013 particularly, China bought 25.2 billion in U.S. Treasury notes and bonds. China's holdings of U.S. federal debt has reached a record $1.3 trillion—that's a really huge amount. So, what is your opinion on this?
LAROUCHE: Well, what I'm doing immediately, of course, is leading this particular charge, which is coming with increasing support during the continuing summer of this year, for Glass-Steagall. The passage of Glass-Steagall will do two things: Number one, it will bankrupt Wall Street and London, immediately. In turn, it will also create a market for the increased productivity of the United States.
QUESTION: Thank
you for taking this interview. I would like to start with the NSA surveillance
program which was revealed by Edward Snowden and other whistleblowers. A few
weeks ago, I did an interview with Jeff Steinberg, one of the
counter-intelligence experts of EIR. He told me that the U.S. Congress
and courts don't do their job,
which consequently made this kind of massive surveillance of innocent U.S.
citizens possible, and the United States is moving towards a Big Brother
dictatorship. So, my question is, if this is really happening in the United
States, what is to be done in order to get this country back on track?
LAROUCHE: Well, the situation is as bad as it might be described, but it's
not as bad as might be described. It's still a fight. And as in many cases of
nations in history, the fight has been in the form of a struggle to change, or
improve, the direction of society generally. We're in such a situation right now
in the United States.
We have a very serious and increasingly effective movement toward a change in
the policy of the United States, which could be realized in the weeks and months
immediately ahead. It's at least a chance to succeed. And in many things, as
many nations have experienced in their own time, what you do as a nation is, you
try to succeed in what is necessarily going to happen, and you struggle for
that, even over generations, or successive generations, or in new generations.
And that's where we are now. We have a growing movement in the United States,
which is partly a response to the hatred against Wall Street and what Wall
Street and the British Empire represent. And that's exactly the way to put it.
We have actually a growing movement. It's already significant. It has
significant leadership and significant support. Which could possibly cause a
complete change in the policy of the United States.
From my standpoint, that change is absolutely necessary. Because the danger
is not some minor thing; the danger is an imminent threat of global
thermonuclear war. And all the things that are happening which are bad, are
really tantamount to the launching of thermonuclear war. And thermonuclear war,
if organized on a full scale today, would be the virtual extinction of the human
species.
So therefore, we're at the most serious struggle in the entire history of
mankind. For the first in human history, it is possible that the human species
become extinct. And apart from the other issues which we have to fight for, that
is the one
which is most prominent.
You'll find, for example: Some people in the United States actually want a
war. The President of the United States currently wants a war. I don't know if
it's his own opinion, or something shoved on him, but it's what he's expressing.
And if that war were to occur, civilization would probably go extinct.
Therefore, as General Dempsey of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has emphasized, we
must not have that war. And that's where we stand.
And otherwise, the chance is that we could win, that the United States could
come back, begin to fight its own issues, which would be beneficial to the
world. Europe is in a terrible condition. We're in a less terrible condition
than Europe right now. But that's where it stands. I'm committed, and my
associates are committed, and this is a realistic commission: we are determined,
by all the means available to us, to prevent this from happening.
QUESTION: And, as an economist, you've committed yourself to establish a new
world economic order, and you claim that Wall Street is going to collapse, the
world economy is going to collapse. So, why do you think that the world economy
is in such a mess?
LAROUCHE: Because I know it. I'm an expert in this area, and I will stand up
against anybody on that issue. I know, and I know with certainty, that
we're in such a situation.
QUESTION: Can you give us some evidence or indication of that?
LAROUCHE: You just take a look at what we're doing in the United States. The
United States has been self-destroying itself, since the assassination of
President Kennedy. If you actually knew the history in detail of the economy of
the United States—the United States economy has been in a long run of decline in
its productive powers of labor, and the conditions of life of our people, since
the assassination of John F. Kennedy as president. That's the trend.
Now we're come to the end of that process. We've had presidents who are
actually pieces of filth, evil, and they are generally under the influence of
the Anglo-Dutch influence. The Anglo-Dutch influence is what we recognize as the
enemy of the United States, the enemy of civilization. They have been an enemy
of this civilization ever since the Anglo-Dutch empire was established at the
end of the 17th century, in Europe. And we in the United States were fighting
against this, from that period of that century: the Massachusetts Bay Colony,
for example, which was crushed by the Anglo-Dutch forces, and the attempt to
crush the United States itself.
Then you have the treason inside the United States, with Wall Street and so
forth. If Wall Street survives, the world will go to hell. And these are
life-and-death issues now.
QUESTION: And we know that you've been pushing the revival of Glass-Steagall
for years, so why is the Glass-Steagall act so important, and how will it
benefit the U.S. economy, as well as the global economy?
LAROUCHE: Well, anything except Glass-Steagall will be an absolute disaster.
The failure to implement Glass-Steagall now, would probably be the end of
civilization. Because it would lead immediately to the thermonuclear war threat,
which is already —in the Middle East, it's already there. And certain
developments in the Middle East could immediately move into an area of that kind
of warfare.
But, that's where we stand. And that's where we are. We're at the point, if
we cannot get Glass-Steagall through, the United States will disintegrate, and I
mean, immediately. The disintegration for this fall is a very probable
likelihood. If we win with Glass-Steagall, we win.
But the problem is, most people don't understand what Glass-Steagall
represents. Glass-Steagall is actually something which was founded by President
Franklin Roosevelt, which was a real re-enactment, and affirmation, of the
original Constitution of the United States. Since that time, we in the United
States have been largely the victims of the British Empire, and the British
Empire is an empire! It's the biggest empire that ever existed on this planet—is
the Anglo-Dutch empire. And we're up against it. We're fighting against it.
But if we put Glass-Steagall in, I can assure you, absolutely, if
Glass-Steagall is established, I will be able to assure you that our policy will
be in a direction which will avoid this warfare, and will end the process of
depression which is running throughout the world.
QUESTION: Okay, I understand. And the United States and China have been
having a dispute over the trade restrictions. In fact, Chinese investment in the
U.S. can arguably benefit the U.S. economy, by stimulating its economic growth
and creating more jobs. According to a report issued by a non-profit
organization called the Asia Society last year, investment from China has been
created more than 10,000 jobs for Americans.
So, within this context, the Obama Administration is still implementing a
series of trade restrictions against China. So, I would like to know, how do you
evaluate Obama's China policy?
LAROUCHE: Well, it's not really Obama's policy. It's nominally his policy.
He's essentially a puppet, and what you've got with the Snowden case, is really
a reflection of certain parts in the United States, of what the global reality
is. These were, as you know, young people—or, they're still relatively young
people—who were working in a very significant role inside the U.S. system. They
then realized that they were being used for purposes entirely contrary to their
intention. And so therefore Snowden, who's only one of these many people—and
they do have special skills—and Snowden has put himself on the line, together
with other followers, to destroy what is being done to the United States now,
under this current policy of the Obama administration.
However, Obama is not as important as people think he is. He's important
because anybody who's made president of the United States, has a certain kind of
importance and means of enforcing that sort of view. But the real thing is a
group of people, of the type I know, the Wall Street gang in its present form,
and the Wall Street gang is an adjunct of the British business, or the
British-Dutch empire.
So, the point is, we have to destroy this power. There's no way you can solve
it.
Now, as to China itself. China is now inevitably, with the collapse of
Europe, which is now coming on fast—and the collapse of the United States, which
is coming only slightly slower than Europe—under those conditions, China's
economy is going to collapse too. Not as rapidly as Europe or the United States,
but rapidly. And therefore, there is no economic solution, unless we defeat this
process.
And what we're dealing with potentially, the potential solution is, get rid
of the Anglo-Dutch system, a revolt against what's been done to Europe. The euro
system. Crush it, get rid of it. Let the nations become nations again. Like what
happens in Spain regularly. What happened in Greece. The genocide that is going
on in Europe, under the influence of the Anglo-Dutch interests, is immense.
So, therefore, we have to create a new world, a new world which is based on a
commitment to high technology, because only by increasing the technological
potential of the nations of the planet, can we possibly work our way out of this
problem. That could be done. China is potentially a very important part of the
world now. Because if China is able to operate within an atmosphere of
the world, which is now moving upward, rather than downward, which is hitting
China now—the downward trend in Europe and in the United States is hitting
China. And China should be doing much more high technology things, but that has
to be possible.
We can create, if we win this fight, we can create an agreement
among leading nations of the world, to change the general direction of the
history of this planet in modern times. And we have to do it. Because we have to
increase all kinds of resources which we don't have now, if we're going to
maintain mankind on this planet. QUESTION: And, a few months ago, in May 2013 particularly, China bought 25.2 billion in U.S. Treasury notes and bonds. China's holdings of U.S. federal debt has reached a record $1.3 trillion—that's a really huge amount. So, what is your opinion on this?
LAROUCHE: Well, I think there has to be a technological solution. Presuming
we get the kind of agreements which we need, the kinds of agreements among
nations—and China is a key nation in this whole process. China has to be an
active factor in making the decisions which are going to be required, if we get
rid of this problem. And it will mean a change in China's orientation, because
China will move into a greater emphasis on high-technology development, than
now. And more emphasis on the increase of the productivity of the Chinese labor
force.
The idea is to increase the power, per capita, of the China population. And
under those conditions, China will have a greater self-independence, which is a
very important factor. This is not to depend entirely on exports, but to have a
self-increase of the productivity of the labor force of China. And with a higher
technology, that can be achieved.
But what's also needed is cooperation among nations to create that effect.
QUESTION: And the next question is on the subject of the Pentagon's Asia
rebalance strategy. In 2009, the Pentagon raised the concept of Air Sea Battle,
which aims at addressing asymmetrical threats in the Western Pacific. A recent
EIR article points out that it is actually a plan of war on China,
which may well lead to an arms race between the United States, and could
culminate in a thermonuclear war.
So, I would like to know your comments on the Air Sea Battle strategy, and
how should the two nations avoid the Thucydides trap.
LAROUCHE: The first thing is that the United States should be an ally of
China in this whole proposition. Because if Russia, which is much weaker than
China in many respects, and China, and you'll probably find that even Japan,
which is not always friendly to China, would also have to go in the same
direction, as well as many other parts of the world. Under those conditions,
peaceful conditions, we actually will end up with alliances with a number of
nations, a large number of nations of the planet, who, knowing that we're on the
edge of thermonuclear war—it's not a possibility, it's almost a certainty, that
if certain things happen, and certain things don't happen at the same time, then
we're going to be in thermonuclear war. And it could be before the end of this
year. Could be in November. Could be even in October. We're that close. So,
therefore all our actions and our thinking, including my own action, is based
the knowledge that we are faced with the immediate threat, in terms of
a few weeks or months, of thermonuclear war, full-scale. And very few people in
the planet really know how serious thermonuclear war is, how quick it is. It
takes one hour and a half to virtually destroy civilization.
QUESTION: So what do you think we should do in order to avoid such a
disaster, strategy, I mean, a tragedy? LAROUCHE: Well, what I'm doing immediately, of course, is leading this particular charge, which is coming with increasing support during the continuing summer of this year, for Glass-Steagall. The passage of Glass-Steagall will do two things: Number one, it will bankrupt Wall Street and London, immediately. In turn, it will also create a market for the increased productivity of the United States.
Now that's going to be a difficult problem, because the ruin of the U.S.
economy, which began to hit at about the same time as the assassination of
President John F. Kennedy, that long wave has hit the United States. So, we have
a very much weakened nation, in terms of potential. But, if we as nations are
allied, to prevent the Anglo-Dutch intention for general warfare, nuclear
warfare, we can come out.
But the important thing is to turn conflict into a source of alliances, on
this issue. And that issue will only work if we are actually promoting
technologically progressive improvements in productivity.
QUESTION: Well, I think that's it for my questions. Thank you very much, Mr.
LaRouche, for joining me.
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